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Really interesting. I have always felt very ambivalent on this point. My understanding is that classical liberalism justifies this position with the claim that its own content is not much other than negative freedom as the goal of living together with others - as long as I leave everyone else free to do as they please, my own views and practices are fine, as are yours. Liberalism only asserts this shamelessness that you describe so well with respect to practices that impinge upon negative freedom. The cultural relativist position that you nod towards is difficult because not all cultures respect the autonomy of the individual nor of other communities to practice their own ways of life, regardless of whether those ways of life interfere with the freedom of others or not. So, I can, as a liberal, adopt the tolerant position that all cultures are equally valid only up to the point at which, say, a culture practices as a rule the oppression of women. Then, to paraphrase Catherine MacKinnon, we have to recognize that all forms of oppression are going to have some sort of cultural ‘excuse’. Where this argument tends to stall is in the fact that liberalism always sneaks in other norms, individualism for example. But it’s difficult to imagine this respect for autonomy without some form of individualism. Here in Toronto, which is a very multicultural city in a fairly multicultural country, the experiment is ongoing. A number of years ago, many people were saying that it had failed. But I don’t find that here on the ground. It’s imperfect, for sure, but we are still holding fast to this idea that cultures can exist side by side, maintain their distinctness and their own sets of values even if these conflict, but also agree to the minimal requirement of ‘Canadianness’ - that everyone respects everyone else’s right to their own ways of life and beliefs (similar to France’s laicite - in theory if not in practice). I guess in my many years of thinking this through and living in different countries, I’ve never come across any better option! And I think that’s usually the justification, rather than any sense of it being intuitively right. It’s just the only viable way (that I can see) for different people and cultures to exist side by side.

Your question about the blind faith that Western powers will always be in charge is a valuable warning!

Thanks for this thoughtful piece, in any case.

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Meena Krishnamurthy's avatar

This is small point, but Enoch gets King wrong. He absolutely does not think there are two sides to, for example, issues such as racial segregation. In fact, he spends a lot of time explaining why (for moral reasons) segregationists are morally wrong in their support of Jim Crow, and why the white moderates are morally wrong for not doing anything to overturn it. The idea that he would be some wishy washy relativist strikes me as a very wrong reading of King (and, I say this as someone who has just published the first book length work on his political philosophy). In fact, King does exactly what Enoch would like of so-called shameless liberals: he appeals unabashedly to liberal values - liberty, equality, etc - when he makes arguments against Jim Crow. So, don't worry, you can take a critical view of Enoch's argument without appearing to align yourself with opponents of the civil rights movement!

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